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Thursday, December 29, 2005

Ask an exorcist!

The religious are nuts, me beauty. I've just read an interview with an exorcist that is full o' details and rules and strange interpretations, pass the grog! This is nothin' but modern day witch-doctorin', superstition and ignorance codified into bizarre behaviors. Catholicism has this weird polytheistic cult thin' lurkin' under th' fancy robes and overwrought architecture.

They're based primarily on th' Bible, accordin' t' which God created all bein's: mankind as well as th' pure spirits, in other words th' angels and demons.

…and lares and penates. Let's brin' back th' little gods!

You may be wonderin' how ye can tell if ye are possessed. It seems all ye need t' have done is see The Exorcist t' be fully qualified t' recognize th' symptoms.

Are there objective criteria that can be used t' determine if a person has been possessed by a demon?

The new ordinance on exorcism summarises th' criteria fer th' event o' possession very well. The clearest fer me as a priest is th' deep aversion t' holy objects such as th' cross, th' rosary or th' sign o' th' cross. Also an aversion t' th' word God - when it is spoken, such people get very nervous. Less significant indications are th' supernatural capabilities that these people can suddenly develop. They can speak foreign languages that they've ne'er learned. They can levitate; they can float, they can overcome gravity, pass the grog, and a bottle of rum! Sometimes they become inexplicably strong and violent. But 'tis not that easy t' diagnose cases o' possession. And swab the deck, by Davy Jones' locker! I usually suggest that people see a neurologist or a psychiatrist before I get involved in their case. If I am advised by these experts that they can't help, then I can begin a spiritual treatment, avast. As a rule, I would say that o' ten people who request an exorcism, one is truly possessed.

I wonder how often this happens…th' priest advises a consult with a neurologist. The neurologist examines th' patient; he is floatin' in mid-air, croakin' in Latin. Then th' neurologist calmly says, "I can't help that scurvey dog."

While priests dern't seem too surprised at levitatin' people, I think a doctor or scientist would be much more excited, and would be callin' up th' local university t' get more people and equipment t' study th' phenomenon. And hoist the mainsail! Shiver me timbers! It would be a sensation, to be sure. We'd see photos and movies and all kinds o' records o' th' event.

It hasn't happened. I suspect that if ye are th' kind o' gullible priest who goes in fer exorcisms, seein' a mentally ill person bouncin' on a bed and babblin' nonsense syllables would qualify as a demonic possession.

At th' end, th' priest says t' th' demon, "Go away, and a bucket o' chum! Disappear!" The demon usually answers, "Nay, I dern't want t'." It rebels and revolts. Sometimes it says "You have no power o'er me. You are nothin' t' me." But after a while, its resistance weakens. This usually happens after th' invocation o' th' Holy Mother, she be very important fer that. Nay demon e'er dares t' insult that comely wench durin' an exorcism, to be sure. Never.

Does he have more respect fer Mary than fer God himself? Walk the plank!

Apparently. Otherwise no holds are barred, and everyone is insulted: th' priests, everyone present, th' bishops, th' Pope, even Jesus Christ. Aarrr! Walk the plank! But ne'er th' Virgin Mary, to be sure. It's an enigma.

Uh-oh. I've insulted priests and bishops and popes and Jesus, but I dern't think I've e'er said a cruel word about th' Virgin Mary…yet. I'm goin' t' have t' think o' somethin' mean t' say, before some kook priest decides me lack o' interest in one o' their demigods is a sign o' diabolical intent.

(via Black Arts Diary)

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Aye th' religious are nuts, by Blackbeard's sword. I just wish I were bein' th' kind o' person who could take advantage o' them in order t' stuff me bank account.
But I guess ye have t' be a religious leader t' do that sort o' thin'.

And still an avowed atheist could ne'er be elected President in th' asylum that exists outside me skull.
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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55577: — 12/29  at  09:25 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Glimpse th' future

Science & Theology News is runnin' an January 2, 2006 article by Bill "Vise Strategy" Dembski

William Dembski says th' Dover verdict is not ID's Waterloo, but merely one battle in a long culture war
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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55578: The Rev. Schmitt. — 12/29  at  09:25 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} And catholics wonder why they're constantly accused by fundamentalist Protestants o' worshippin' Mary.

I'm goin' t' have t' think o' somethin' mean t' say,

A virgin in Nazareth? Not bloody likely.

-The Rev. Schmitt. {/if}

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William Dembski says th' Dover verdict is not ID's Waterloo, but merely one battle in a long culture war.

Okay Bill, take yer pick then: ...Crécy, Agincourt, Poitiers, Trafalgar...
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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55583: — 12/29  at  09:52 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} One would think that an exorcist would be embarrassed t' brin' up neurology, considerin' th' field has produced scads and scads o' evidence fer a biological basis o' consciousness. Doesn't that sort o' stand in direct conflict with th' premise o' this lubber's livelihood? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55584: — 12/29  at  09:53 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Any psychiastrists in th' house? Would an exorcism be an effective treatment fer a mentally ill person who subscribes t' th' same belief system and believes s/he is possessed? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55585: — 12/29  at  09:59 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} They're *more* persuaded by people becomin' "extremely nervous" aroun' references t' God than by levitation?
I were bein' raised Catholic, and as far as I could e'er tell we were supposed t' be nervous about God. After all, he knew what ye were doin' and would mete out punishment accordingly, and had whole sets o' rules that often di'nae make a lot o' sense.

Sounds like they're more worried about atheists than anyone else, actually.
And, honestly, ten percent? Yaaarrrrr! They can't possibly think th' rate o' possession, even assumin' it exists, is that high, can they? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55586: — 12/29  at  10:00 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} "They can speak foreign languages that they've ne'er learned."

Dammit, me beauty. I can scarcely speak th' ones I have learned! Arrrr! Does that mean I'm unpossessed? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55587: — 12/29  at  10:10 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Personally, I'm a lot less worried by Catholic exorcisms -- which at least have a strict set o' rules and guidelines that must be followed -- than I am by th' freelance ones done in storefront churches. Those are th' ones where th' "possessed" are likely t' end up dead at th' end from overzealous exorcism.

I guess I'm th' only one here who remembers th' spinal tap scene in The Exorcist. I hate needles. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if TRUE} 's avatar {/if} #55588: — 12/29  at  10:12 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} If exorcism is supported by th' catholisism, then they are indeed nuts.

And th' assortment o' gods and demigods and realms are confusin'. Let's see, 'tis supposed t' be three gods, isn't it: th' God, th' Son o' God, th' Spirit?! Demigods such as th' Mother o' Son o' God, th' Devil, angels, demons. Realms such as Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, Hades, Gehenna, Limbo and many more; I dern't know if Dante's and islamisisms levels apply fer catholisism as well. The mishmash seems like an infinitheism instead o' a polyheism. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55589: — 12/29  at  10:13 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I have a very basic math question about demons. Presumably th' ones who fell way back at th' beginnin' are all there are, right? Ahoy! I mean, God wouldn't make any NEW demons, I can't imagine. So did there used t' be, like, millions o' demons per person back in Adam's day, and now they have t' job-share? Wouldn't th' human race get better and better as th' demon-t'-human ratio improved in our favor? But I dern't see any evidence o' that. Perhaps th' whole demon thin' is just a way o' avoidin' responsibility and treatin' others cruelly with impugnity. But surely religion wouldn't support those sorts o' motives. Would it? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55590: — 12/29  at  10:18 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Makes me wonder if possession is a secondary, iatrogenic illness. Kind o' like multiple personality disorder. MPD crops up in clusters, with th' same clinician seein' dozens o' patients. The alleged base rate is so low that this should be impossible, so many contend that MPD is iatrogenic.

If exorcists see lots o' possessions, it may be th' same exact disorder in religious guise. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55591: — 12/29  at  10:19 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} EVinson, find me a demon...maybe me Chinese and French will improve. But if 'tis a language I've ne'er studied, I'd like t' have Italian, please. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55592: — 12/29  at  10:20 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Greg Peterson said: "So did there used t' be, like, millions o' demons per person back in Adam's day, and now they have t' job-share?"

This is basically th' foundation myth o' Scientology:

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55593: — 12/29  at  10:21 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Goodness, it all reads like a discussion betwixt comic-book nerda about whether th' Hulk could beat Superman.

Nay demon would dare insult Wonder Woman!

I went t' a Catholic high school and I do recall that there were bein' a fair bit o' skepticism about exorcisms among th' laity. The nuns tended t' be more superstitious, and I'm not entirely sure about th' priests. Surely there must be priests who can still distance themselves enough from th' superstition t' think with some objectivity about this, ye scurvey dog. One would hope some o' them can recognize that th' sort o' people prone t' "possession" and stigmata are th' highly suggestible type, prone t' fantasy.

The essence o' Christianity is, or ought t' be, service t' lubber lubber. Those that aren't given o'er t' Christian Scientist thinkin', rejectin' all modern medicine, should see th' value in seekin' conventional medical treatments, and not automagically jump t' th' "DEMONS DONE IT" conclusion. I'm sure God, if he existed, wouldn't be offended by th' objective examination o' all possibilities in order t' best help our lubber lubber. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} no nym, would exorcism have any therapeutic value as a placebo? {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} "Also an aversion t' th' word God – when it is spoken, such people get very nervous."

Yeah, well I get nervous when th' Word Of God is spoken too, but generally because after th' sermon someone wants t' hand me a Watchtower and steal thirty minutes o' me life assaultin' me with idiotic jibberish.

Or it could be demonic possesion.

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55596: Kristine Harley — 12/29  at  10:31 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} There's a whole cottage industry within th' Catholic Church o' priests doin' excorcisms, sellin' holy water, usin' rosaries as if they were talismans, officially validatin' "miracles" and th' like, that many o' us ne'er glimpse (I were bein' raised Protestant). However, lookin' back I remember th' many thin's that th' people aroun' me said, and still say, that amount t' magical incantations, as it were, since they shunned religious images and objects. Ahoy! And o' course, in th' Protestant universe (particularly in th' Christian Science and Jehovah's Witness substrata) there is a cottage industry o' books and "study guides," fer long evenin's spent debatin' Scripture at th' kitchen table, to be sure. (I dern't have t' tell ye what a party that is.) There's a weird polytheistic cult thin' goin' on in evangelical Protestantism, too--even mere humans, like th' insufferable Hal Lindsey, become akin t' gods fer some people. I think 'tis all nuts. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Yeah minimalist,

I also grew up goin' t' Catholic Schools (Jesuit)and I find it pretty hard t' believe that any one o' th' priests or monks who taught me would buy into any o' this. They could accept a lot o' other strange metaphysical beliefs but th' notion o' actual supernatural occurrences in our physical dimension in th' modern day and age tended t' prod their skepticism more than their piety. Shiver me timbers!

Oh and th' Hulk could absolutely beat Superman. The ornery cuss is th' strongest their is. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} "...before some kook priest decides me lack o' interest in one o' their demigods is a sign o' diabolical intent."

You probably get nervous or at least annoyed aroun' holy objects and references t' god too. I can't tell if ye can levitate or speak foreign languages without studyin' them from yer web site...Perhaps 'tis time fer an emperical test. Begone: Mary wants ye t' geddoudahere...Nope, th' web page di'nae disappear. I guess ye're not demonically possessed after all. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} As a former Catholic, I can say that me personal experience has been that th' portions o' th' Catholic population that give significant credence t' thin's like possession, talismans, etc. Yaaarrrrr, and dinna spare the whip! are often those whose regional cultures already had some sort o' belief in a pantheistic or animistic world, or had some sort o' native rituals which incorpoated th' ideas o' spirits, possessions, etc.

(This is merely observation and anecdote I know. Comin' from what can be oxymoronically termed a "WASP Catholic" background, I ne'er encountered much o' this side o' th' dogma.) {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Allright, not t' go all Catholic here, but really - th' Catholic Church is based on tradition - lots and lots o' tradition. Its th' fundamental criticism that most o' th' mainstream Protestant Churches have against th' Catholic Church - that they put tradition on equal footin' with th' Bible, instead o' puttin' th' Bible first.

Catholic exorcism has been aroun' fer a long, long time. Its not goin' t' go away just because modern medicine has come up with explanations fer many o' th' thin's that would have once been called "possession". I'm just glad that they modernized th' practice so that neurologists and psychiatrists have t' be consulted first, before any kind o' supernatural explanation is looked at - that probably culls most o' th' "possessions" right away.

And fer all o' th' jokes about people levitatin' o'er th' bed - when th' neurologist says "I can't help" and th' psychiatrist says "I can't help", its much more mundane. Walk the plank, ye scurvey dog! Its simply th' types o' thin's that we have no explanation fer yet or no way t' measure. Yaaarrrrr! And if a priest sayin' some magic words and makin' magic hand gestures above th' patient makes th' patient feel better, by all means go ahead and do it if there's nothin' th' doctors can do t' help.

Like Mnemosyne says, I'm much more worried about th' non-Catholic exorcists who do this without th' structure forcin' them t' make people check every known rational cause first before resortin' t' "possession" as th' explanation. Its not just overzealous exorcisms that are a danger, either. Shiver me timbers, to be sure! People with severe mental illness who think they're "healed" by th' exorcism may go on and hurt themselves or someone else later, avast. At least th' Catholic structure requires that th' "possessed victim" see someone with medical knowledge before resortin' t' th' supernatural. {/if}

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I've e'er said a cruel word about th' Virgin Mary � yet. I'm goin' t' have t' think o' somethin' mean t' say …


Well, ye'll have t' try awfully hard t' outdo this year's South Park Christmas epsiode "Bleedin' Mary," in which th' Virgin is seen "bleedin' out that comely wench ass." This clip shows a priest gettin' an ample faceful o' Her Blessed Flow.

Maybe this is really what Eucharist wine transubstantiates into.

The winsome lass's supposed t' be a Virgin—why should th' Catholics be upset if Mary's trollin' fer vampires? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Ask an exorcist! Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #55604: Andrew Brown — 12/29  at  11:18 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I were bein' at a science and religion conference organised by a noted Catholic writer on these matters (John Cornwell) with various o' th' usual suspects -- Dan Dennett, I think, John Searle, Mary Midgley, Nicholas Lash, then th' head o' th' Catholc theological Associationof Great Britain, and an ordained Anglican priest named Bill Clocksin who works in th' computer sciencedepartment o' th' unversity, by Davy Jones' locker. Speaker after speaker -- includin' Lash -- got up and testified t' th' dependence o' consciousness on th' body. "When ye're dead, ye're dead" they said. But, afterwards, and outside th' buildin', I were bein' talkin' t' one o' th' Anglican priest -- I think, though it were bein' a decade ago, that this were bein' Fraser Watts, who is a psychologist -- and I asked that scurvey dog what he'd do, inth elight o' his beliefs, if a parishioner asked t' be exorcised. The ornery cuss replied that o' course he'd perform th' service, if he thought it would help. Helpin' people were bein' much more important than bein' right. Ahoy!

I dern't think there is any question that, phenomenologically, some people are helped by this, and should be. As several people have said, th' practices o' th' Catholic (and Anglican) Churches are most unlikely t' do any real harm. And swab the deck, avast! The ones that are wicked are th' crazy pentecostalists. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Hilarious!

�Pope Benedict XVI goes t' investigate. The ornery cuss, too, is sprayed with blood when he walks behind th' statue. A reporter says, �The pope investigated further and determined that th' statue were bein' not bleedin' out its ass, but its vagina.� To which th' pope replies: �A chick bleedin' out that comely wench vagina is no miracle. Chicks bleed out their vaginas all th' time.�


And get this! The Catholic League fer Religious and Civil Liberties is pressurin' a Catholic Viacom director t' prevent th' release o' this episode on DVD! How very 16th century, in th' 21st century. {/if}

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