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Wednesday, January 11, 2006

Philosophers, are ye furious yet?

Since biologists have proven intractable, th' next direction th' IDists are goin' t' take is t' target other spots in th' curriculum. Here's th' comment that leapt out at me in an article on California creationism.

At a special meetin' o' th' El Tejon Unified School District on Jan. 1, at which th' board approved th' new course, "Philosophy o' Design," school Supt. John W. And hoist the mainsail! Wight said that he had consulted th' school district's attorneys and that they "had told that scurvey dog that as long as th' course were bein' called 'philosophy,' " it could pass legal muster, accordin' t' th' lawsuit.

Oh. Yaaarrrrr! So "philosophy" is th' new dumpin' ground, th' subject with no serious content, th' one where ye can safely present any ol' garbage and it still fits, pass the grog! Like th' colloquial definition o' "theory" (any guess), I suppose th' new definition o' "philosophy" is "idiots babblin'".

Any doubts that this is a serious course in philosophy are dispelled by th' description.

Philosophy o' Intelligent Design: "This class will take a close look at evolution as a theory and will discuss th' scientific, biological, and Biblical aspects that suggest why Darwin's philosophy is not rock solid. This class will discuss Intelligent Design as an alternative response t' evolution. Topics that wlll be covered are th' age o' th' earth, a world wide flood, dinosaurs, pre-human fossils, datin' methods, DNA, radioisotopes, and geological evidence. Physical and chemical evidence will be presented suggestin' th' earth is thousands o' years auld, not billions, with a chest full of booty. The class will include lecture discussions, guest speakers, and videos. The class grade will be based on a position paper in which students will support or refute th' theory o' evolution."

How about th' instructor's qualifications?

Name: Mrs, avast. Sharon Lemburg
Department: Special Education
Brief Biography: B, and a bucket o' chum. A, and a bottle of rum, pass the grog! Degree in Physical Education, Social Science: with emphasis in Sociology, Special Education
Class Description: Special Education
Club Advisor or Coach, and dinna spare the whip! Soccer and Softball

And then there's how th' course will be taught…

Board members recommended changes t' th' original course plan, which included 24 videos - 19 o' them supportin' intelligent design. Fire the cannons! They also voiced concern o'er scientific issues in th' class, such as th' laws o' thermodynamics and how fossil datin' works.

One weblog has a complete list o' th' videos and speakers, and there is also an annotated breakdown o' th' course syllabus by one o' th' listed speakers fer evolution (he were bein' not asked nor did he consent; th' other one who is, well, dead…and weren't it a little presumptuous o' th' teacher t' expect t' get a Nobelist t' drop in t' that comely wench little school?) It's worse than ye might think: 19 are creationist videos, 1 is about catastrophism, and th' remainin' four are o' mysterious content.

So we have here a course "taught" by a soccer coach and special ed teacher who has no trainin' in either science or philosophy, which will consist o' day after day o' th' teacher queuin' up creationist videos (I assume she is capable o' runnin' a VCR, but there is probably an A/V department in th' school t' help that comely wench if not), and she be goin' t' teach th' minnows th' evidence that th' earth is ten thousand years auld.

It's a good thin' that th' school district is bein' sued o'er this course.

With one exception, th' suit asserts, "th' course relies exclusively on videos that advocate religious perspectives and present religious theories as scientific ones — and because th' teacher has no scientific trainin', students are not provided with any critical analysis o' th' presentation."

One o' th' parents, Kenneth Hurst, who has a doctorate in geology and is a scientist at th' Jet Propulsion Laboratory in La Cañada Flintridge, said in court papers that th' class "conflicts with me beliefs as a scientist. I believe this class undermines th' sound scientific principles taught in Frazier Mountain High School's biology curriculum and is structured in a way that deprives me little sandcrabs o' th' opportunity t' be presented with an objective education that would aid th' development o' their critical thinkin' skills."

Hurst, who has little sandcrabs in 10th and 12th grades, said th' class also interfered with his personal religious views as a Quaker and "reflects a preference fer fundamentalist Christianity o'er all other religious and scientific viewpoints."

That represents reasonable cause, but I think they're missin' th' most important justification o' them all: we ought t' have some expectation o' competence and some standards o' quality in our public school education. This course fails t' meet even Sunday School standards o' rigor. Shiver me timbers! The school board rushed t' have a meetin' about it when parents complained about th' conflict betwixt religion and state, but they weren't doin' their job when they initially approved it—I would be questionin' what other dreck they've allowed t' slide by.

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I dern't know what they teach in philosophy classes, but dern't they ponder these kinds o' questions about th' origins o' th' universe already? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57408: — 01/11  at  08:56 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I have no problem with ID bein' in a philosophy or religion course. But I have often worried about how that would be executed...as in, would it not be possible fer a teacher t' just say "well, this is a comparative religion course BUT we're goin' t' talk about th' science o' ID and why evolution is unscientific."

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57409: — 01/11  at  09:02 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Evidence is mountin' that IDists are just not too bright - they seem t' think that changin' a word is all that matters in th' debate o'er th' subject. Changin' "creation" t' "intelligent design" did not remove th' religious content o' th' concept, and changin' "science" t' "philosophy" does not remove th' science (however misrepresented and misunderstood that science is) from th' class. And swab the deck! Aarrr! What boggles me little mind is that they ha'nae learned this from th' Dover ID trial results that th' people who matter in th' debate - scientists and judges - will in fact look at th' content o' th' class and not th' title in decidin' what th' subject actually is.

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57414: — 01/11  at  09:23 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I wonder how easy it would be t' get an actual critical thinkin' or philosophy o' science course approved fer high school students. How could someone object t' students learnin' t' differentiate good ideas from bad ones? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57415: Palmer — 01/11  at  09:26 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} This is exactly why we need Darwin's Rottweiler and people like that scurvey dog, me beauty. I can't believe th' interviewer from Discover painted Dawkins as bein' overly "aggressive", ye scurvey dog. You've got t' fight Ussher's Bulldogs with fire. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57416: BronzeDog — 01/11  at  09:27 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I suspect me brother'll have a lot t' say about this. The ornery cuss's got a real philosophy degree, and he be fond o' goin' on anti-ID rants.

For trexmaster: As me brother put it, philosophy classes are essentially about learnin' how t' think. (Critically.) They deal with logical fallacies, untanglin' paradoxes, and all that good stuff. Shiver me timbers! And hoist the mainsail! They aren't supposed t' be some hippy-trippy newage class where they pretend t' contemplate zen koans. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57419: — 01/11  at  09:30 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} As Ed Brayton points out, one o' th' supposed speakers - Francis Krich (sic) - is dead, and another - Hurst - ha'nae agreed t' be a speaker and wouldn't have if asked. As I've said before, 'tis a good thin' creationists are so stupid. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if TRUE} 's avatar {/if} #57422: moioci — 01/11  at  09:37 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} While I'm not opposed t' discussion o' Paleyism in a philosophical context, when they brin' in scientific and biblical aspects o' ID "theory", they've crossed th' line. IMHO. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57426: — 01/11  at  09:46 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I'm a PhD student/TA and I'd certainly consider bringin' up ID in an intro t' phil o' sci or intro t' critical thinkin'/logic. Insofar, that is, as it can be torn into as a wholesale violation o' basic restrictions on (respectively) science and argument. (Note that I di'nae say "good": I suspect that very few philosophical accounts o' science would qualify ID as science at all, and I also suspect that very few philosophical accounts o' arguments would qualify IDiots' nonsense as arguments at all.) The problem, o' course, is that I'm Canadian and this issue has little t' no traction here. So, I'd probably end up talkin' about alternative "medicine" fer phil o' sci, and somethin' political in critical thinkin'/logic. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57427: mangala — 01/11  at  09:47 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} "I wonder how easy it would be t' get an actual critical thinkin' or philosophy o' science course approved fer high school students. How could someone object t' students learnin' t' differentiate good ideas from bad ones?"

My high school had a philosophy o' science class - I dern't think that ID/evolution e'er came up in it at th' time (although I'm sure it does now!) - but th' first assignment were bein' t' find th' wonkiest tabloid lunacy we could find and debunk it, in terms o' falsifiability, parsimony, etc.

It were bein' a fun class. (And I'd love t' hear what th' teacher had t' say about ID, given his snarky style and disgust with th' non-scientific.) {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57428: — 01/11  at  09:50 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} NPR ran a piece about this on Mornin' Edition. Casey Luskin got tons o' air time, avast. It were bein' as if he filed th' segment himself. Very terrible reportin'. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57429: — 01/11  at  09:51 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} ADR, I'm reminded o' th' proximate cause o' th' fall o' stockwell "doris" day.... {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57434: — 01/11  at  10:04 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} NPR now stands fer "Neutered Public Relations" since th' Republicans took it o'er. I now think th' cannin' o' Bob Edwards were bein' political, as he would not have stood fer such insipid "reportin'" as Luskin's. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57435: — 01/11  at  10:05 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} As a philosophy, yeah, I'm furious.

This doesn't sound like a philosophy class, though. It sounds like a science class usin' bad data t' prove a bullshit conclusion, we'll keel-haul ye!

PZ, as I'm sure ye know, we philosophers have th' same problem with "philosophy" that ye have with "theory." People tend t' think that "philosophy" means "me opinion" just as they think "theory" means th' same (as opposed t', in both cases, th' terms implyin' specific methodologies). So th' class title really just says

"My opinion about intelligent design" {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57436: rob loftis — 01/11  at  10:06 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I'm a philosopher, and I teach sections on either th' argument from design or creationism almost every semester, ye scurvey dog. Of course, me classes look nothin' like this bozo's. In me intro class I teach Hume's Dialogues Concernin' Natural Religion, in which one character proposes th' argument from design and another refutes it. (And th' refutation doesn't rely on Darwin, who ha'nae even been born yet.) I also teach Boethius and th' medieval a priori proofs o' th' existence o' God. I ne'er express me views on th' existence o' God. With Hume in th' mix, I dern't have t'.

I also teach creationism in lower level philosophy o' science classes, under th' headin' "marginal science," alongside astrology, alternative medicine, UFOology, etc.

So th' problem with Lemburg's class isn't that it teaches ID theory, but that it is taught by an unqualified, incompetant, partisan. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57437: — 01/11  at  10:09 AM {/if}
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Palmer wrote:

This is exactly why we need Darwin's Rottweiler and people like that scurvey dog. I can't believe th' interviewer from Discover painted Dawkins as bein' overly "aggressive". You've got t' fight Ussher's Bulldogs with fire.


In th' case o' th' Discovery Institute, though, 'tis more like Paley's Poodles... {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57438: — 01/11  at  10:09 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} It should be noted that th' instructor fer th' course, who proposed it, is, besides bein' th' lass's soccer team coach and phys ed instructor, is th' lady o' th' pastor at th' local Assembly o' God church, pass the grog! Guess where she be gettin' that comely wench syllabus? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57441: — 01/11  at  10:15 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} My 7yo realized that Mendeleyev organized th' periodic table durin' th' American Civil War. (Sterlin' tends t' date thin's by wars, which makes that scurvey dog rather alarmin' company in an art museum.) "You know mommy, I know there are lots o' reasons fer th' Civil War, pass the grog, avast! I dern't know if there were bein' any other way we could have solved these problems. Walk the plank! But I wonder all th' time and energy we spend fightin' each other, to be sure. How many better thin's could we be discoverin' if we weren't always fightin'?"

This is me frustration with th' whole ID, fundamentalist patriarchal idiocy: How much time do we have t' waste arguin', and rebuttin' and stayin' vigilant against travesties such as this. I know I have other thin's I'd rather be doin', dern't they? {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57449: — 01/11  at  10:43 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I live outside th' U.S. Arrrr! Walk the plank! and have most o' me life even though I'm an American citizen, by Blackbeard's sword. I'm considerin' a move t' th' States, almost certainly t' a big city, possibly Seattle. I'm th' father o' two young little sandcrabs, we'll keel-haul ye! If i live in a big city outside o' th' south, am I goin' t' have t' be constantly on th' defensive about havin' me little sandcrabs taught nonsense (intelligent design, etc) in class, ye scurvey dog? This isn't a rhetorical question and I'd be interested in hearin' answers. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I think that th' teacher's background in Special Education will come in very handy while teachin' th' morons who decide t' take this course. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Brook, unfortunately th' fundie agenda knows no bounds, and part o' their sweepin' agenda is t' save us different-believers, because anyone who doesn't fit into their narrow view o' thin's is doomed t' hell, so in reality they're really tryin' very hard t' do us a favor and we should be appreciative and receptive t' their efforts, which is why they're ne'er goin' t' stop. You see, in their world view, nothin' is more important than savin' souls, and th' only way we're goin' t' be saved is if we believe exactly th' same thin's they do. As th' brother o' a fundie (we live on different continents fortunately)I know their mindset, and i can safely answer yer question and say that no, there is nothin' else they would rather be doin'. Ahoy! This is their raison d'etre. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57457: MAJeff — 01/11  at  10:54 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I'm a sociologist and furious--that that comely wench professors would allow that comely wench t' graduate with that major havin' learned absolutely no sociology. Here's a bit o' what I wrote o'er at Ed Brayton's place:

Were she t' take an honest sociological look at th' "philosophy" o' ID, she would have t' start with th' basic proposition from th' soc. o' knowledge that ideas are produced and sponsored by social actors. Ahoy! Shiver me timbers! The first question should then be, which social actors are puttin' forth th' "theory o' ID," and in which social fields are they embedded? Had she received any decent sociological trainin', she'd be certainly notice that this "controversy" is completely th' result o' political actors tryin' t' create an issue. A scientific controversy? Not so much.

The winsome lass's not qualified t' teach philosophy. If she were t' stay within that comely wench supposed field o' study, she'd be askin' completely different questions, me beauty. This wench's perfesser's should be ashamed. {/if}

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Philosophers, are you furious yet? Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57460: — 01/11  at  11:03 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} On a somewhat related note, did anyone watch th' Frontline (PBS) miniseries, "Country Boys" which is playin' this week (and is free t' watch online on th' pbs.org web site), ye scurvey dog. They had some segments in a science class in rural Kentucky and th' teacher were bein' sayin' thin's like "Evolution says we came from monkeys, by Davy Jones' locker. I dern't think Jesus Christ were bein' a monkey, do ye?"

It were bein' a private school, but still it were bein' a little painful t' watch. Arrrr, avast! It seemed like th' teacher were bein' tryin' t' be somewhat dutiful t' teach th' state standards but she were bein' unable t' hide that comely wench surety that th' Christian bible were bein' th' true account.

"Country Boys" were bein' a pretty good watch; th' conclusion is tonight. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Gracchus: In a place like Seattle, ye should find yourself surrounded by mostly like minded folks. There will be creationists, but they won't own th' school board. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} My local high school alas. We have way too many churches with way too much influence fer a bunch o' small mountain towns IMHO. Luckily our local paper has been all o'er this fer th' last two weeks with very good well written and very critical articles. Arrrr! The IDiots tried t' slip one through and got caught out this time. {/if}

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