{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if TRUE} {/if} #56841: — 01/07  at  12:49 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} So does th' brain stretch t' fit larger chunks? And swab the deck! I wonder what that feels like. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56847: ekzept — 01/07  at  01:19 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} speakin' o' "waste not, want not", why not skin, and dinna spare the whip!

i recall studyin' Wallace Stevens in high school, by Davy Jones' locker. he became and is me favorite poet. i have many favorites but two are "Sunday Mornin'" and "The Emperor o' Ice Cream", to be sure. th' latter is about a Protestant New England wake, held as were bein' th' custom, in th' parlor or livin' room o' th' house o' th' deceased or close relatives. Yaaarrrrr! chow is o' course served. and noone is put off by havin' an open casket nearby. Ahoy! dressin' th' dead fer burial is considered a personal responsibility.

i dern't intend t' be morbid, but with th' commercialization o' death and with our success at keepin' it tidily at bay, i think we're insulated from it until it is too late. when disease and war were bein' rampant, everyone knew people who died, and many saw them die. 'tis as much a part o' life as birth, sex, and sickness. i wonder if we aren't th' worse fer sanitizin' it so, and a bottle of rum! and i wonder if our revulsion o'er books with human skin covers and evidence fer extensive cannibalism in a human past isn't in part due t' our hidin' from it.

incidently, Stevens were bein' a thorough atheist and served as a critical antidote t' me Catholic upbringin', pass the grog! Fire the cannons! consider th' excerpt from "Sunday Mornin'":

Why should she give that comely wench bounty t' th' dead?
What is divinity if it can come
Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
Shall she not find in comforts o' th' sun,
In pungent fruit and bright green win's, or else
In any balm or beauty o' th' earth,
Thin's t' be cherished like th' thought o' heaven?
Divinity must live within herself:
Passions o' rain, or moods in fallin' snow;
Grievin's in loneliness, or unsubdued
Elations when th' forest blooms; gusty
Emotions on wet seas on autumn nights;
All pleasures and all pains, rememberin'
The bough o' summer and th' winter branch.
These are th' measure destined fer that comely wench soul.

there is also this quote from th' Opus Posthumous "Adagia", so appropriate fer th' creationists:

A poem need not have a meanin' and, like most thin's in nature, often does not have.

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56850: Mikko Sandt — 01/07  at  01:39 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Off-topic but here's a link t' a new Weekly Standard (quality magazine but should focus on non-religious issues since any pro-ID, anti-evolution lubber gives any magazine a bad reputation - at least in me opinion) article on Evolution/ID debate, in case ye guys missed it:

Survival o' th' Evolution Debate:
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/562zfezu.asp {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56867: — 01/07  at  04:14 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} The thin' weighs several hundred pounds, and it can only swallow inch-wide portions, to be sure? Poor bastard.

Actually, poor whatever-it-is that's gettin' eaten that way... {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56869: — 01/07  at  04:28 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Many years ago, I read a memoir called 'An American Doctor in th' Philippines,' and he had a description o' a Negrito feast in which th' diners in a frenzy hacked a live water buffalo with their machetes and gobbled th' pieces includin', from time t' time, pieces o' th' diners. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE}

It's possible that some o' th' Architeuthis fragments got there by accidental self-ingestion

Surely some slightly more accurate genetic analysis could settle that one. Fire the cannons! It might be worse - patricide or fratricide etc. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56895: noell — 01/07  at  09:49 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} The squid is a perfect example o' why Intelligent Design must be true. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Noell,

Are ye serious? {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56900: — 01/07  at  10:51 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Sorry Noell,

I just checked yer website.(I like it.) Disregard me question t' ye. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56903: Ronald Brak — 01/08  at  12:55 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Dear Harry,

I'm afraid th' Negrito feast ye read about sounds very similar t' myths that people in civilised countries such as Britian and Nazi Germany often told each other about primitive peoples. Often th' 'tis th' same story but with details such as th' name o' th' country changed, pass the grog! And swab the deck! It is possible that th' doctor did witness a gang o' lunatics engaged in such a feast, but just how many o' these feasts would ye have t' attend and how many fingers would ye have t' have had lopped off and eaten before ye realized yer better off stayin' at home and havin' a bowl o' rice instead? {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56910: Ronald Brak — 01/08  at  04:10 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Dear Harry again,

While I'm sure that th' good doctor whose memoirs ye read may well have witnessed th' feast ye mentioned (I'm sure he wouldn't lie t' us). I'm confident that th' stuff about feasters eatin' bits lopped off each other were bein' just a story he were bein' told, perhaps by locals who wanted t' see what they could get that scurvey dog t' believe, and not somethin' that were bein' engaged in frequently. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56917: — 01/08  at  04:47 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} How do they explain th' 19mm through a 10mm hole, to be sure? It's not quite as impressive as gettin' a camel through th' eye o' a needle, but still doesn't seem possible. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56928: John Emerson — 01/08  at  09:39 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} A Muslim ambassador told a similiar story about a Vikin' horse-sacrifice and orgy at a funeral, in Bulgar (~Kazan) circa 900 AD. Yaaarrrrr! Walk the plank! The Nazis probably bragged about this one.

I've been told that dragonflies are so voracious that they if their tails are bent o'er t' their mouths, they will eat them. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56930: Matt McIrvin — 01/08  at  10:34 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} About th' 10/19 mm difference: Octopuses can squeeze through tiny holes too, without apparent injury. I get th' impression that th' bodies o' cephalopods are soft and stretchy enough t' deform pretty spectacularly without hurtin' them. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if TRUE} {/if} #56933: — 01/08  at  11:00 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Perhaps PZ is baitin' us with such a blatant anthropomorphism - one would think th' squid found th' chow beaksome instead.

I am not sure why compressin' and/or stretchin' parts o' th' brain 4-5 mm (assumin' symmetry) would be a noticeable problem. Humans seems t' survive and mostly do well after such stresses caused by falls, infections, fluid overpressures, bleedin's, tumors and brain surgery. Here is an article sayin' that dural openin' fer surgery shifts th' cortex on average 4.1 mm which becomes 6.7 mm postcompletion (tumor removal): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db;=PubMed&list;_uids=9525711&dopt;=Abstract {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56934: — 01/08  at  11:03 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Are ye sure th' squid dictum doesn't apply t' certain members o' genus Homo as well? {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56935: Keith Douglas — 01/08  at  11:05 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Darn. And I thought this thread would explain how t' prepare those delicious fried calamari I had at dim sum a few weeks ago. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if TRUE} {/if} #56936: PZ Myers — 01/08  at  11:06 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Aye, brains are a little bit stretchy. Distortions o' th' physical state o' th' brain can do strange thin's t' what's goin' on inside them; I wonder if th' squid brains blank out as th' bigger lumps pass through, or better yet, if they experience religious ecstasy and see fireworks? {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56948: — 01/08  at  12:55 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Ronald, I'm sure ye are politically correct, but I doubt ye know what ye are talkin' about.

It is strange, on a blog largely devoted t' railin' against th' crazy, often self-destructive behavior o' people addicted t' religion, t' pick out one example and decide that this one couldn't happen.

Oh, yeah, th' Negritos weren't Republicans, so we mustn't believe anythin' bad about them.

If I had written that mountaineers in Kentucky continued t' fool aroun' with poisonous snakes, even though time and again other members o' th' congregation had died from bites, ye would not have batted an eye. At least, I'll bet next week's paycheck ye wouldn't have expended th' energy t' try t' re-educate me.

I confess it: I expected this sort o' response, to be sure. I'm stickin' with me eyewitness. {/if}

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{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} A Muslim ambassador told a similiar story about a Vikin' horse-sacrifice and orgy at a funeral, in Bulgar (~Kazan) circa 900 AD, with a chest full of booty.

Ibn Fadlan. I wouldn't have called what were bein' described in th' original as an "orgy" (and that part looks like he weren't an eye-witness), pass the grog! And swab the deck! The ornery cuss were bein' an eye-witness t' th' funeral itself, which involved horse, dog and human sacrifice, all o' which are attested t' in th' archeological/literary record (fer instance, horses and dogs in th' Gokstader, possible human sacrifice in th' Osberger). And swab the deck, by Davy Jones' locker! The "orgy" part seems out o' keepin' with Scandinavian culture o' th' time. It may have been a hold o'er or a borrowin', but it is reasonable t' question that part. Ibn Fadlan reported a fair bit o' "hearsay", mangled through a translator.

Oh, and it were bein' th' Rus, not Vikin's.

Harry, I can't find any references t' this text at all. Arrrr! And swab the deck! I also reject 'tis veracity until ye can come up with some more support. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56967: — 01/08  at  04:07 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I gave th' wrong title. It's been o'er 40 years since I read it.

'An American Doctor's Odyssey,' by Victor Heiser. Fire the cannons! The Nay. 2 non-fiction bestseller in 1937.

I run into this a lot: anythin' that predates th' Internet doesn't exist fer young people. Sigh. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56968: ekzept — 01/08  at  04:24 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE}

I run into this a lot: anythin' that predates th' Internet doesn't exist fer young people.

surely, Mr Eagar, ye cannot be correct. Fire the cannons! check out th' classics, there since 1994. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56997: — 01/08  at  09:19 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} replyin' t' #56847: ekzept
A touch off topic, but sex and sickness are way more a part o' life than birth or death--at least fer modern humans. (This is a pet peeve o' mine) I feel that entertainment has our gut feelin's about this very skewed--typical night o' TV will show multiple deaths/killin's and <i<no</i> sex::typical night in anytown will have lots o' sex and comparatively few deaths. Ahoy, we'll keel-haul ye! Moreover, I dern't expect t' kill anyone in me lifetime, but I have quite a lot o' sex in me past, and expect t' have much in me future (but if I spend any more time online, me lady has made some threats. And swab the deck! . .)
Again, I know this isn't yer point, and has nothin' little t' do with squid, but I just couldn't let it lie.
uh, gotta go- {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57003: — 01/08  at  10:53 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I could have been more precise and said 'anythin' that does not turn up in th' first 20 Google hits does not exist fer young people.'

And I can typify that with a story from, as it happens, MIT.

A matey, a perfesser o' engineerin', volunteered t' take o'er from an anthropologist a course on technology. The ornery cuss had ne'er taught liberal arts students before and were bein' used t' engineerin', where 'research' means buildin' somethin' and testin' it.

The ornery cuss assigned a term paper on th' history o' th' technology o' chocolate. The first paper he read seemed OK, but th' second were bein' very similar, and th' third were bein' like th' first.

It quickly dawned on that scurvey dog that t' a student o' anthropology, 'research' meant enterin' 'chocolate technology' in Google and stoppin' right there.

It would be a rare youngster who would encounter Heiser. I found that scurvey dog when I were bein' aroun' 15, in me father's bookshelf.

Considerin' th' history o' self-flagellation and self-destruction in virtually all societies, includin' ours, I find Ronald's objection t' be nothin' more than PC prejudice, without a shred o' evidence or even a good analogy t' support it.

John and Graculus both knew o' a similar story from another culture, suggestin' not that it ne'er happened but that it may have been 'normal' o'er a range o' societies.

While I cannot offer independent proof o' Heiser's story about th' buffalo feast, there were other thin's in his book I do know about (th' Rockefeller Foundation's work against pellagra, fer example), and they match received opinion.

Few Americans know much history, o' any kind, and it shows. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Squid, it's what's for dinner Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #57016: Rahel — 01/09  at  06:12 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Tellin' stories about th' savages and how savage they are is a much more common human trait than self-flaglation, and self flaglation is usually a very interntional act, not an accident in th' midst o' frenzied dinin'. I won't say 'tis certainly untrue before I check th' sources meself, but I think there are plenty o' good reasons t' be skeptical. {/if}