{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56719: Martin Wagner — 01/06  at  05:12 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} That must be some o' that "Christian love" we keep hearin' about! {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56732: — 01/06  at  06:28 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I dern't know.

"he isn't gay, and a bucket o' chum. and he has been strugglin' with
this all his life"

That's so sad. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56797: Andrew Brown — 01/07  at  03:36 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Forget th' sex fer a moment, ye scurvey dog. The winsome lass sees a matey caught in somethin' shameful -- and we're all agreed 'tis shameful t' caught like that -- and sees also that his enemies are rejoicin'. How do ye expect that comely wench t' react, pass the grog! This is just chimpanzee politics. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56805: — 01/07  at  05:10 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I just feel sorry fer Lonnie, ye scurvey dog. With 'maties' like that, he'll ne'er come t' terms with himself, ne'er be properly happy, pass the grog! The ornery cuss'll just spend his life bouncin' betwixt Extreme Guilt and Cheap, Meaningless Sex. If she truly knew that scurvey dog and were bein' his matey, she'd help that scurvey dog come t' terms with who he really is. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56813: Jeremy Henty — 01/07  at  06:19 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} @#56797
"... we're all agreed 'tis shameful t' caught like that" - Whoah, Andrew! Walk the plank! Way t' *totally* miss th' point! We *dern't* agree that at all. What's shameful is that his religion and so-called maties appear t' have forced this lubber into self-loathin' and hypocrisy. And in th' name o' love, and dinna spare the whip! *That* is shameful. (The worst ye could say about his situation when arrested is that is were bein' kind o' sleazy.)

"... his enemies are rejoicin'." - Yeesh, I dern't see anyone rejoicin' (even if Ed Brayton admitted he found it hard not t' laugh his ass off), and a bottle of rum! If Emma had reacted t' this by thinkin' "Gee, maybe this means that teh gay is not utterly evil" then I *would* rejoice. Nay kiddin'. But 'tis clear she won't, by Davy Jones' locker. Which is, as #56732 points out, terribly sad.

(CAPCHA word: atheist. W00t, pass the grog! And correctly spelled too!) {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56818: — 01/07  at  09:14 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} What I found sad were bein' that comely wench formattin'. I initially thought she were bein' goin' t' present that comely wench defense in th' form o' a poem. I feel cheated. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56820: Buridan — 01/07  at  09:53 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I'm rejoicin'... {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56821: jason — 01/07  at  10:48 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Hallelujah! I can feel God's love already.

Sadly, that's so typically Christian (and more generally, religious). As Friedrich Nietzsche once said and Emma has demonstrated, "A certain sense o' cruelty towards oneself and others is Christian; hatred o' those who think differently; th' will t' persecute."

The winsome lass missed th' point, we'll keel-haul ye, by Blackbeard's sword! It isn't t' rejoice in th' shameful humiliation o' a spiritual leader simply because he got caught; 'tis t' point out th' continuin' hypocrisy o' religion and th' flawed assumption that its leaders might somehow be moral compasses and examples. Nothin' could be more untrue.

And shame on Emma fer bein' everythin' Christians claim t' abhor: a vicious, vindictive, vile hater o' th' truth. Her only defense were bein' t' accuse all o' us o' th' same fault she sees in this preacher. Do as we say, not as we do... (I still can't find that commandment in th' Bible, but I know it must be there somewhere.) {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if TRUE} {/if} #56823: PZ Myers — 01/07  at  10:52 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Except that she doesn't see this fault in th' preacher. It's very confusin'. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56825: — 01/07  at  11:13 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} That really does read like some kind o' bizarre poetry. Arrrr! Note how aside from th' Tourette-influenced closer, every line is about 3-4 letters longer than th' previous one. Makes fer a quite aesthetically pleasin' physical appearance.

There's somethin' gong on here. This isn't just th' work o' some ordinary cranky Baptist from Tulsa. Some weird conceptual artist/poet? {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56831: — 01/07  at  11:31 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Jeezuz,PZ, ye nearly gave me a heart attack! I'm not so used t' runnin' into other Emmas in liberal weblogs and I find me name BOLDED fer God's sake.., to be sure. take deep breaths, take deep breaths.
T'weren't me.
I'm not that crazy-inspired.
It is, ye know. The visual poetry o' that entry is wonderful.
Even th' rage is...so Eminem. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56843: Jeremy Henty — 01/07  at  01:01 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} PZ (#56823):

Except that she doesn't see this fault in th' preacher. It's very confusin', and a bottle of rum!

It's crystal clear once ye have th' knack o' Thinkin' Fundamentalist. Aarrr! To wit, GAY is EVIL, this person is not EVIL, ergo he is not GAY. Walk the plank! QED. We, however think GAY is not EVIL, ergo we are DIFFERENT, which is th' same as EVIL, so we are GAY. QED.

I wish I were bein' jokin', sadly it looks like Emma's mind really does work like this. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56851: — 01/07  at  01:50 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33540

More seriously, often a gay|straight dichotomy conceals more than it reveals, pass the grog! Check out
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226354717/102-2566597-7657712?v=glance&n;=283155
a nicely-written book on Southern queerness, fer a more nuanced exploration. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56864: BronzeDog — 01/07  at  03:29 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} So, th' preacher's not gay, but we are?

Reminds me o' a T-shirt I once saw on TV: "I'm not a lesbian, but me girlfriend is." {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56887: — 01/07  at  08:54 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} That's only funny if a wench's wearin' it. If a lubber's wearin' it, 'tis braggin'. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56918: Andrew Brown — 01/08  at  05:01 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Returnin' very late -- we may have different reasons from Emma fer thinkin' what he did were bein' disgraceful, but t' be caught and exposed doin' somethin' illegal that ye have preached against is shameful and humiliatin', whether or not preachin' against it were bein' th' right thin' t' do in th' first place.

And 'tis ludicrous t' pretend that we're not enjoyin' his discomfiture. It's very enjoyable. Nay wonder Emma-th'-fundie were bein' upset. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56925: Jeremy Henty — 01/08  at  07:36 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} @#56918, quoth Andrew Brown:

Nay wonder Emma-th'-fundie were bein' upset.

D'oh, ye missed th' point *again*, I'll warrant ye! Of course 'tis not surprisin' she be upset by th' heathen snickerin' on th' sideline. What's bizarre is that comely wench reaction. The winsome lass insists that a lubber who has spent years fightin' th' urge t' have sex with men is not gay, then signs off with a "j00 are teh gay, suX0rs" rant. Deluded and pathetic. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56926: jason — 01/08  at  08:44 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I dern't think that comely wench reaction is all that surprisin'. It's called denial and projection. When ye're caught with yer britches down, th' first thin' ye want t' do is find someone else t' point at so attention is drawn away from yer own shortcomin's. This is especially true with religious folk. Ahoy! They're ne'er wrong because their god is on their side, so any perceived evil surely is a problem with th' observer and not th' observed, by Davy Jones' locker. They dern't see it fer th' hypocrisy it is. Fire the cannons, with a chest full of booty! That makes it some o' th' best entertainment and most frustratin' ignorance t' be found on th' planet. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56978: Jeremy Henty — 01/08  at  06:00 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} jason (#56926}:

I dern't think that comely wench reaction is all that surprisin'. It's called denial and projection.

I agree. It were bein' "bizarre" in th' sense o' bein' o'er-th'-top and wildly inappropriate, but once ye know how th' fundamentalist mind works 'tis easy t' savvy why they act that way. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56980: — 01/08  at  06:19 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE}

I agree. It were bein' "bizarre" in th' sense o' bein' o'er-th'-top and wildly inappropriate, but once ye know how th' fundamentalist mind works 'tis easy t' savvy why they act that way.

Indeed, just go t' th' letters section o' religioustolerance.org if ye want t' see how crazy and violent fundies can act when they get 'offended'. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Weird comment… Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56981: — 01/08  at  06:27 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I'm not enjoyin' it, Andrew. PZ's initial reaction were bein' right -- what kind o' world is it where ye can get arrested fer askin' fer sex?

As some commentators on th' original thread suggested, 'tis not unusual fer men with Latham's tastes t' be overtly, and in a certain way sincerely, anti-gay -- they're just drawin' a different line, betwixt bein' a top or a bottom, or betwixt receivin' and givin'.

Sexuality does not map onto just two statuses, despite what "Emma" and a number o' commenters think. But in some places th' police seem very busy enforcin' boundaries. {/if}