{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56733: Martin Brazeau — 01/06  at  06:39 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} PZ, ye need t' define what a 'kind' is! Arrrr! ;)

Still, three quarters o' a billion years says I should bank on th' 'jellyfish kind' bein' aroun' fer th' next 10 million. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56736: — 01/06  at  06:46 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Holy crap, I di'nae know they got that big. That's awesome. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56744: — 01/06  at  07:46 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Not just a beautiful rarity,
'tis possible that this is another symptom o'
overfishin',
global warmin', or
ecosystem deterioration.

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5254955
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20051220f4.htm {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56746: — 01/06  at  08:20 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Good point ^_^
It seems t' me that th' degree o' evolution has nothin' t' do with adaptability.
So th' probability o' findin' a human on this planet in 100 million years time should be th' lowest o' all livin' creatures. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56756: Frederick J. Ide — 01/06  at  09:01 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} They are not "Jellyfish"--th' correct term is "Jellies" {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56757: cpbvk — 01/06  at  09:06 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Wow. What a spectacular animal. Is that what they call a "Lion's Mane?" {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56767: — 01/06  at  10:00 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Nay, th' correct term in American, non-scientific, non-anal English is "jellyfish". Jellies are these thin's:

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{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56768: Martin Wagner — 01/06  at  10:05 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Damn! That thin' is huge! {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56769: — 01/06  at  10:19 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Bah, I'm so tired o' th' apologists fer lower life forms, tryin' t' "put us in our place." Aye, th' jelly fish were bein' aroun' 10 million years ago, and has gotten nowhere since then, me beauty. Which one o' us is more evolved? It still occupies th' ocean. We are down in th' ocean with it, and on land, and in th' air, and in space, with a chest full of booty. We have actually gotten somewhere in 10 million years, pass the grog, by Blackbeard's sword! Our intelligence is invaluable. We are taggin' it, and it doesn't even know that 'tis bein' tagged. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56770: Alon Levy — 01/06  at  10:26 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I'm not sure about th' other questions, but aren't cnidaria considered very basal and hence less evolved than bilateria? {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56771: cpbvk — 01/06  at  10:36 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Oh, c'mon...what does "more evolved" mean? It means untested, as opposed t' "tried and true." I poked aroun' a bit, and found another article with a pic:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-1910322,00.html {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56776: y.takenaka — 01/06  at  11:01 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} This Jellyfish call japanese "echizen kurage". Kurage means jellyfish in English. Echizen is a Japanese sea site o' th' Honshuland. I knew what this jellyfish is from Japanese media.
The follow is echizen kurage's images o' images.google.com:
http://images.google.com/images?q=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%81%E3%82%BC%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AF%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B2 {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56781: Ralph — 01/06  at  11:46 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I fail t' see why "more evolved" should be considered synonymous with "untested." Suppose BOTH humans and jellyfish were found in similar forms (by some metric) 100 million years from now. Arrrr, avast! Then both would be quite "tested." Which one would then be "more evolved", I'll warrant ye?

One could perhaps define "more complex" in some systematic way, by Davy Jones' locker. Is that th' same as "more evolved", I'll warrant ye? Nay, I dern't think so.

In fact, I cannot identify any useful meanin' fer th' phrase "more evolved." {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56782: Ralph — 01/06  at  11:56 PM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Another thought:

Perhaps someone would care t' submit a "gorgeous picture o' a jellyfish attachin' a sensor t' a diver in th' Sea o' Japan."

That might add somethin' t' th' "more evolved" debate.

(My apologies t' Jared Diamond, as th' above is derived from th' big question posed in "Guns, Germs and Steel.") {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56790: — 01/07  at  01:50 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} The jellyfish weren't on th' verge o' destroyin' its own (and everyone else's) ecosystem a mere milion or two years into its existence, those stupid unevolved thin's. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56791: — 01/07  at  01:53 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Okay, what I would like t' know is how they attach th' sensor. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56792: — 01/07  at  02:00 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I guess I'm th' only one t' detect a frightenin' similarity betwixt this holy cnidarian und unseres geliebtes Fliegendes Spaghetti Monstrum. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56793: — 01/07  at  02:12 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Just a thought…which o' th' two animals in th' foreground is more complex, better adapted t' its environment, more "highly evolved", more successful?

Interestin' comparison. Don’t we have t' define “complex, better adapted and highly evolved” before we can answer this? If by complex do we mean a highly differentiated cellular beastie? Better adapted could mean very successful in survivin' in it’s environment, I'll warrant ye. Highly evolved could mean how derivative it is t' it’s ancestral form. I could be biased, but I think Humans win on all fronts.

I always wonder about livin' fossils like th' jellyfish. It seems once and beastie has reached a point o' success, evolution slows down. I don’t mean mutations won’t occur at th' same rate, but they get less selected, by Davy Jones' locker. That has t' be, doesn’t it? Aren’t there fossils o' jellyfish 200 million years auld? After all that time, all those mutations, wouldn’t there be somethin' that would out-compete th' jellyfish form and cause it t' go extinct, and a bucket o' chum? I know this sounds like Mel Gibson’s “why are there monkeys still aroun'” argument but it’s not. Everyone knows monkeys are still aroun' because they live in a different niche. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56794: — 01/07  at  02:18 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} I'd say th' animal on th' left is more adaptable vs. adapted. The fact that its there in th' sea at all shows its ability t' adapt t' multiple new environments, thus havin' a higher likelihood o' survivin' radical environmental changes through th' ages.
As fer more evolved, aren't all creatures equal on that level? The general idea is that life appeared at one point in time and species radiated out from there. A sponge is a more highly evolved sponge than a dog is, but everythin's been evolvin' fer th' same amount o' time. {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56800: Republic of Palau — 01/07  at  04:10 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Bad Jim: 'There is only one FSM and th' jellyfish are his prophets...' {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if TRUE} {/if} #56801: — 01/07  at  04:11 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} Which o' th' two animals is more complex?

Accordin' t' W. Shiver me timbers! And hoist the mainsail! Brian Arthur, complex systems are systems in process that constantly evolve and unfold o'er time. Ergo, lubber is complex, jellyfish less so, and a bottle of rum!

Which o' th' two animals is more successful? Walk the plank!

I dont know what is success in biology, me beauty. Is it survival? Arrrr! If so, both animals are equally alive. Is it higher metabolism? Aarrr! Then humans are more active, we process more energy.

I wonder how it tastes. I ate fried jellyfish in Tien Jin but th' Japanese prepare these thin's differently. Aarrr! What is it called in Japanese? {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56806: — 01/07  at  05:14 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} more complex? - probably th' human

better adapted? - definitely th' jellyfish

more "highly evolved" - neither

more successful? - too poorly defined

more likely t' find? - I'm plumpin' fer jellyfish {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56807: — 01/07  at  05:48 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} There is just this small spark o' mind t' savvy th' whole sweep o' time, and a bottle of rum! Shiver me timbers! Livin' forever is more scary than dyin' {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56808: — 01/07  at  05:51 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} But would CONSCIOUS INTELLIGENCE exist? The species/kind is harbourin' it is irrelevant {/if}

{if FALSE} Trackback: Zwei Tiere Tracked on: () at {trackback_date format="%Y %m %d %H:%i:%s"} {/if} {if TRUE} {if FALSE} {/if} #56809: Richard — 01/07  at  05:56 AM {/if}
{if FALSE} {/if} {if TRUE} For those who would list our achievements as proof we are somewhat 'more evolved' - so what? Shiver me timbers! Aye, we can tag th' jellyfish, but is that important t' anythin' but us humans?

The only objective o' th' evolution game is survival, and in those terms th' jellyfish surely wins - 'tis been aroun' longer and will surely be aroun' after we vanish. For all our supposed 'intelligence', we dern't seem t' be bright enough t' stop changin' our environment in such a way that we'll render it uninhabitable fer ourselves at some point. Fire the cannons! How clever is that?

I've argued about this with maties about slugs in th' past, but they dern't really want t' listen because (a) they like t' believe humans are special and (b) I tend t' be drunk when embarkin' on this discussion. {/if}